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>> i was encouraged the president wouldn't stand in the way. >> as long as it's delivering on those core values. >> breaking news, an agreement has been reached with iran. >> these are substantial limitations which will help prevent iran from building a nuclear weapon. >> it's an historic mistake. >> a little bit of skepticism. >> widespread skepticism. >> everybody has a right to be skeptical. >> this administration is strong on announcements, but very short on follow-through. >> this might be a diversionary tactic. would you put it in that category? >> we are pointed in the right direction, but we have got more work to do. good afternoon. as we kick off this holiday week. and it's a busy one for president obama, who fresh off a big announcement on iran is on the move, turning attention back to the home front and immigration we form. with heated debate still looming over the budget, health care, and yes, now, iran, the drive

for an overhaul of the nation's broken immigration system has taken a back seat. but as the president sought to bring it back front and center today at an event in san francisco, he encountered a passionate member of the audience, calling for an end to all deportations in a remarkable exchange heard moments ago. >> what i would like to do -- [ heckling ] >> don't worry about it, guys. >> the easy way out is to try to yell and pretend like i can do something by violating our laws. and what i'm proposing is the harder path, which is to use our democratic process. but it won't be as easy as just shouting. it requires us lobbying and getting it done. >> now, with less than a year before the 2014 mid terms, the president is well aware that for immigration reform, and that lobbying effort, the clock is ticking. so with the house vowing they'll never take up the comprehensive senate bill, which was passed in jurngs the president says he would be okay with breaking it up.

>> some of them are hesitant to do it in one big bill, like the senate did. that's okay. they can -- it's thanksgiving. we can carve that bird into multiple pieces. >> sure, carve it up. the president has made it clear, he'll be satisfied with a piecemeal approach. if all the pieces get done. as for republicans, the house leadership is clearly marching in lockstep. >> i was encouraged that president said he wouldn't stand in the way of a step by step immigration reform. >> immigration reform is going to happen. but it's going to happen on a step-by-step method. >> we think there is a way to do that in this step-by-step approach, in the senate bill, it is an amnesty, transforms to an economics-based system, probably seven or eight different pieces of legislation. >> as always, so much depends on what you call amnesty. the latest surveys show a solid and consistent majority of americans, 63%, support reform with a path to citizenship for immigrants living in the u.s.

illegally. when the question specifies that immigrants would have to pay back taxes, lurn english and pass background checks, support jumps to 7 1%. majorities of republicans, independents and democrats all support a pathway to citizenship. so the real question is, should not be if but when, right congressman, ryan? >> look, i wanted to do this, this calendar year. knowing the schedule as i do, being involved in budget negotiations, which will take up early december, i don't -- there's just literally not enough time to do it. >> literally, just not enough time. and they have already got a lot to do on those six whole days scheduled to work in december. really. let's get right to our handle. in washington, dana millbank for "the washington post" and in philly, msnbc contributor, professor james peterson. so dana, it really is a shame. that the house is so busy they haven't been able to find time for immigration reform this year. why do you suppose republicans haven't been able to get around to it? >> well, joy, when do you expect them to do their holiday shopping?

i mean, they've got to do their part to lift up the economy. look, this congress has -- worked less than all previous ones. and we say that each year, because they work less and less, and get less and less done. as soon as the speaker boehner they're not going to take up the bipartisan legislation from the senate, it was clear this was going to be a long way off. there's a ray of hope when the president and house republicans are talking about a piecemeal approach. but the devil is going to be in the details there, and you can definitely see house republicans coming up with a plan that cracks down on border security and does absolutely nothing else. and that's not going to get us anywhere. >> and that doesn't oh -- that's a great point. so, james, professor peterson, i read those numbers earlier about the 71% support, 73% of democrats, more than 60% of republicans, 57% of independents and then as you add the specifics of the bill, it goes up even higher. i happen to believe that political behavior is about political incentives. what at this point do you

believe is the political incentive for republicans to oppose immigration reform? >> that's actually a good question. so i think in the minds of some republican strategists, the political incentive for them to oppose immigration reform oh is that the 11 million or so-called -- the 11 million undocumented folk will largely vote democratic. but the problem with that logic, and i don't even know if that's logic, is one, that's not necessarily true. but two, i think the penalty that you pay for opposing it is actually greater than for getting behind it. because the changing demographics of this nation are already set in motion. it's a freight train. as a republican party, you get on board and develop the policies that speak to the coalition of folk that identify with this 11 million undocumented immigrants, or you don't. and so i don't know if their political calculus is correct, which is why you see them

speaking out of both sides of their mouth. by dana raises a point, which is this piecemeal strategy is about border security and these different types of border security you want to implement, that's when you know they're stalling. that's the same as opposing immigration reform, as far as i'm concerned. >> and dana, to that point. if republicans in the house were to pass just a piecemeal part of immigration reform on border security and not touch the senate bill, they really don't change the political calculus for themselves more broadly. and we are talking about a path to citizenship, where they would have to woo these voters in like 15 years, not like now. 15 years. >> right. >> so i'm wondering if you see at all on the house side a calculus, that, look, doing border security may help with our base, but long-term, we have to get at the path to citizenship in order to reap any political benefit a deck raid from now. >> that is true. but i don't think anybody is thinking in terms of the long term at all. they're thinking about the next election, not getting beyond that. a and, you know, the truth is, the only message for the republicans now is subject pejorative verb,

obama care. they don't want to -- they don't want to talk about anything that gets in the way of pouncing on obama care, because they think they have an opening there. that will include immigration. the president oh -- the administration arranges a peace deal with iran and they say that's to distract from obama care. so the idea that they are doing anything to get them off their singular message, that strikes them as bad politics in the short run, and there only is a short run. and james, to your point, because the republicans are focused on the affordable care act issue, which they think is the winner, there isn't a lot of incentive to move immigration legislation through the house. so is this why you're seeing the president go out and do a lot of talking about this, trying to make this an issue of not executive authority, to make this happen, at least to try to force this into the campaign. force it into 2014. >> well, the president, despite the missteps of the administration with the rollout of obama care and the different setbacks in the second term, believe it or not, he's staying

the course, and staying steady with the things he wants to get done. so that the iran talks were part of that and i think he can chalk that up at least as moving towards success. he's going to push on immigration, continue to do the things his administration set out and wanted to do. and remember, the coalition that re-elected president obama is also a really diverse coalition with aging american, southeastatio southeastations, latino, south americans, and african-americans, and all those voters are interested in immigration reform. so the hecklers who heckle the president, they're right, but should also be heckling the house of representatives and republican congress people to make sure that immigration reform has a chance. >> and dana, and maybe others might want to heckle the senate, too. you've been critical of harry reid's move to reduce the ability of republicans to filibuster on judicial appointments, as well as cabinet appointments. isn't that the only way the president at this point is going to be able to move his agenda? he's going to have to move through those agency heads and

have to move through the courts. so do you see that reform as much as you were critical of it, having some bearing on being able to do things on the margins about immigration reform and other things stalled in congress? >> it, in a short term, does help in terms of getting his nominees through. but the problem in terms of legislation wasn't getting it through the senate. they already got it through the senate. the problem was getting the house to do something. what you will have a situation now, where the house can go hard right with its proposals, and the senate, if they decide to now change the filibuster for legislation, as well, can pass something more to liberal democratic liking and they can clash in conference and they can get nothing done. i think the real answer is nothing was likely to happen before, and nothing is just about as likely to happen right now. but we can continue to hope. >> except a lot of messaging on the part of the white house, apparently. >> a lot of that, yes. >> ahead of 2014. thank you, dana millbank, as well as professor james peterson. coming up, the art of a deal. iran agrees to a short term

freeze of its nuclear program. is it a deal worth doing? needless to say, the skeptics are out. ♪ ya know, with new fedex one rate you can fill that box and pay one flat rate. i didn't know the coal thing was real. it's very real... david rivera. rivera, david. [ male announcer ] fedex one rate. simple, flat rate shipping with the reliability of fedex.

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tough talk and plus itter may be the easy thing to do politically, but not the right thing to do for our security. >> in the two days since president obama surprised the world with a preliminary deal with iran over its nuclear weapons program, there is hand wringing about whether it's acceptable. in return for a multitude of requirements, including daily inspections, sank sank shuns, iran will have access to $7

billion in frozen assets and promise of no new sanctions for six months. it's very important when oil sales have plummeted the past two years by more than 50%. and where the cbo pegs inflation to be above 50%, with some pegging it as high as 80%. members of the far right have been full-throated in their opposition to the deal and we'll have more later in the program. but it's also been members of the president's own party who are voicing skepticism about the agreement. >> i'm disappointed by the terms of the agreement between iran and the p5 plus 1 nations. >> it's disappointing to me that iran is still going to be allowed to enrich while they are talking. >> and joining us now, christopher hill, a former u.s. ambassador and michael hanlon, senior fellow at the brookings institution. michael, i want to go through what's actually in the deal and what isn't. it's a six-month freeze, certain concessions that iran has to

make. but give us the contours of what iran is actually giving up. >> great question. and thanks for having me on the show with ambassador cris hill who has done great work in many areas. what iran has given up is first of all, that to 20% uranium 235, a modest amount, couple hundred kilo grahams, roughly enough for one nuclear weapon. it has to convert that back to a less bomb-ready form of uranium 235. so that has to be essentially rendered ineffort for purposes of making a bomb. then it has to stop any progress on its new nuclear reactor that could in theory make plutonium, which as you know, is the other main potential fuel to a nuclear weapon apart from the uranium 235 i just mentioned. so those are the two things it has to absolutely stop or walk back. then it also is allowed to use its centrifuges to en research rich a modest amount more up to

3.5%, a small step towards the ultimate 90% you need for uranium 235. >> and so --. those are the basic nuclear pieces. >> so the idea is they could enrich enough for power and -- to power the country for electricity but not enough for a nuclear bomb. >> yeah. and even if you don't believe that was their goal, which most of us don't, of course, they still are nowhere near being able to turn that into a bomb. and within six months, as i understand the deal, they have to walk that amount back to where it is now, essentially. so they can temporarily increase, because they want to keep using the centrifuges, but they have to find something to do with the uranium, sell it or convert to something else, within the six-month period. so they don't really get any further ahead at the end of the time, even for this 3.5% uranium 235. >> so ambassador, i want to talk about iran's president, hasan rouha rouhani, got elected, promising to end the sanctions and opening to u.s. he and president obama have had the highest diplomatic content since 1979.

in your assessment, is he a credible negotiating partner for the united states? >> he certainly is credible, but he's not without oh his detracto detractors within iran and i think that's key to understand about iran. you have a policy that is very much split. those who want to do more, as the president seems to want to do in terms of opening iran up to the rest of the world, and then those who really could care less and have no interest in doing that. so he has to manage a difficult path there, and i think what he is trying to do is give the iranians a taste of what could come if they continued to go down this path, such that they -- he would build support for an eventual permanent agreement six months from now. so he's in an unenviable political position, managing this. just as our president has his own challenges in washington. >> and michael, obviously an iran that is part of the family of nations, that is more moderate, as iran at least

appears to be trying to push the country, it would not only be good for the united states, but would seemingly be good for israel. and yet ben netanyahu has been extremely vocal against the deal, has been the most -- shown the most opposition to it. in your oppose opinion, has he in a sense isolated himself on this? the eu is for the deal. you have complete agreement in the international community, except really for israel and saudi arabia. isn't netanyahu isolated himself by being so much against the deal so early? >> you know, it's a good question. i'm not sure he's isolating himself quite as much, though, as frankly, i wish he were. i don't agree with the prime minister's statements. and i think he partly senses an american political opportunity, because he knows we're divided here at home and he's trying to influence the american debate. he also knows some countries like saudi arabia are nervous about any kind of relief for iran. on the other hand, you know, there aren't that many good options. and if it's going to be an american military air strike that's the alternative to these sanctions, i think we get a say

in this decision, as well. the most important point, i support very much the deal that's just been announced, is that we're going to be able to see within six months if iran was serious. and i think we have good enough and long enough memories that we will remember what was negotiated. we'll see if iran is serious about going to a longer-term deal. and if they're not, that $6 billion they're get something going to be used up pretty fast. that's 1% of their gdp. it's going to go pretty fast. and they're not going to get any relief from longer-term underlying core sanctions. so for those reasons, i support the deal. >> and ambassador, last question to you. those opposed to the deal from the right have said that what they would prefer is that iran give up all access to nuclear energy, period. is that a realistic demand? >> no, it's not at all realistic. and what they have to understand is, you sit at a table across from another side, and you try to work out a deal, and you work out what's important to you. and you try to work with something that might be important to them. but i think overall, we have a real chance.

we do have a negotiating partner there, and we have to see what happens. but i completely agree with michael. i don't think we're putting a lot at stake here in terms of going forward with this. and for those who believe that sanctions have somehow been panacea for these issues, they ought to look very carefully at what sanctions have actually accomplished in terms of dissuading iran from this program. they haven't done very well at all. so i think it's well worth this effort, and i for one commend the administration for following this. >> all right. excellent points, ambassador christopher hill and michael n hanlon, thank you both. coming up, a beautiful sunset tonight in new york city. but take caution. stormy weather is on the way. will it foul your thanksgiving plans? your thanksgiving travel plans? more on that, straight ahead. ♪ i gotcha ♪ uh-huh you thought i didn't see you now did you ♪

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. and now a word of caution to those of you planning thanksgiving travels this week. a massive win itter storm is taking aim at much of the eastern united states, just in time for the busiest travel days of the year. when nearly 43 million americans take to roads, trains and planes. the system has dumped heavy snow in new mexico and colorado and sleet in texas, leaving thousands without power and cancelled 300 flights in dallas alo alone. the storm blamed for 13 deaths, a grim preview for things to come for millions of men's. the storm is expected to bring heavy rain and strong winds to the northeast as soon as tomorrow with delays expected at major airports. and we will continue to keep an eye on the weather system and make sure you know what you need to know to get home for the holiday. and on a separate note, this one political from earlier today. vice president joe biden broke grouped on a new shelter for domestic violence victims, the

first of its kind in the city of chicago in more than a decade. the center will include 40 beds and provide social services to victims and their families. on a cold, gray day, biden, the author of the original violence against women act, spoke candidly to the challenges facing women haunted by domestic abuse. >> somebody today in this city is making the decision, today do i have to break, do i have to leave my prison today. think about how that wind feels in the face of a young immigrant woman, who is walking unfamiliar streets, just to get out of the control of her abusive husband or so-called boyfriend, nowhere to go. but she is going to be able to call this shelter and be welcome. >> some comforting words from joe biden, eight months after the reauthorization of his landmark domestic abuse legislation. stay with us. today's top lines are coming up. oh, did you want it? yeah. we'll split it. [ female announcer ] made fresh, so light, buttery and flakey.

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today's top lines. you knew they would go there. > >> the president at the white house tonight unveiling a major diplomatic breakthrough. >> we have halted the progress of the iranian nuclear program. >> this is the first breakthrough. >> since the u.s. severed diplomatic ties with iran 30 years ago. >> iran will have agreed to a roll back or at least freeze its enrichment capabilities. >> every u.s. president has held out the hope of making a deal with iran. >> it has not made the world a safer place. >> israel will be safer. >> iran's foreign minister and negotiation team returned last night. they were greeted by hundreds of cheering supporters. >> that strikes me as a terrible deal. >> american officials have not received such an amable reception. >> more than one person i was talking to about this whole deal -- >> sort of knew they would go there. >> this might be a diversionary tactic by the administration, which is desperately looking for good news. >> amazing what white house will

do to distract attention from obama care. >> there's going to be bipartisan concern about this deal. >> we made it very clear, we will not tolerate iran having a nuclear weapon. >> if you see the reaction in iran right now, they're spiking the football in the end zone. >> we have just rewarded very bad and dangerous behavior. >> we're not sitting here pretending that iran is going to suddenly turn over a new leaf. >> sanctions that took years to put in place are going to be eased. >> i think you're going to see on capitol hill. >> bipartisan opposition in congress, very strong. >> a bipartisan effort. >> we're not just going to verify, trust and verify. >> very short on follow-through. >> we're going to verify, verify and verify. >> let's get right to our panel. joining us now, democratic pollster, margie owe mareo and ryan grim of "the huffington post." ryan, those sound bites were like a wave. this is really great, this is awful. it's amazing, this course of

disapproval. and lindsey graham, fatesing a tough reelect in south carolina, sent out a tweet just as the news was breaking over the weekend saying unless the requirement requires dismantling of the iranian centrifuges, we really haven't gained anything. ryan, is that where we are? we haven't gained anything? >> sure. and it shouldn't be surprising. the obama presidency has managed to turn republicans against pretty much everything they're for. they have been in the past against tax cuts. against their own health care plan, they're even against war in syria. so, you know, it really shouldn't be -- they were against golf at one point. these republicans. it shouldn't be surprising here whatever deal the u.s. makes -- president obama with iran, there were going to be a lot of people in the republican side that came out against it. you saw that with senator graham there. >> and, you know, margie, the polls have been very consistent on this. the american people support

diplomacy over military action by wide margins. a "washington post" poll shows 64% of people support lifting some sanctions against iran in exchange for restricting their nuclear program. but, you know, even given that strong level of support to take the diplomatic approach, can can the white house maintain those kinds of numbers? amid republican attacks on the deal, but more importantly, if you start seeing democrats voicing skepticism about it. >> i think you're going to see public opinion hold in support for diplomacy. it wasn't just that "washington post" abc poll. there was a cnn poll that came out a few days ago. and both showed, as you saw, clear majority support for a deal. it's consistent with earlier polls that showed clear majority support for diplomacy. not only that, the "washington post" poll showed a majority of republicans support the deal. and cnn poll showed it was basically even. among republicans. and a majority of conservatives supported the deal. so it's not the first time that

republican lawmakers have been quick to just say the opposite of whatever the president says, even if their own voters are more supportive. and hopefully, we'll see voters be consistent and maybe we'll see some elected officials go home and listen to some of their constituents. >> you know what, and ryan, among -- that's a great point that most republicans are supportive of the deal, except perhaps the neo cons. everything old in politics new again. and it's interesting to see the neo cons come back out of the woodwork. they were put aside by the tea party. but i want you to listen really quickly to former bush administration official, john boltton, former ambassador. listen to him. >> the sanctions are not going to work. you need to give it up and accept one of two propositions. the most likely proposition is iran gets nuclear weapons. the second proposition is, we should support an israeli strike against the iranian program. >> so ryan, first of all, that mustache has held up nicely over the years. and second of all, where would

the support base come from for an israeli strike against iran? where would the support based among the american people come from for something like that? >> well, i mean, there certainly isn't much of one. it would basically come from the shrunken neo con coalition, which is really an example of how in the united states at the elite level, there is very little consequence for being wrong. you know, they have been wrong about everything that they have advocated for, and the last 30 to 40 years, you know, they didn't see the collapse of communism coming. they didn't see anything after that. then they said the way we're going to handle -- the way we're going to respond to 9/11 is to invade iraq. they have been repudiated over and over again by history. yet they still maintain, you know, some hold within the republican party. and i think you just chalk it up to the fact that it's so hard to

fail once you've gotten to the top in the u.s. >> and just staying with you for a second, ryan, because i'm fascinated by what this does to the wing of the party that we have shown to be ascend ant over the last couple years, reading the tea party, meaning the more isolationist wing of the party, the rand paul part of the party. are we going to see yet another rift inside of the republican party over issues like iran? >> well, yes. i mean, you know, the -- the poll weighing is certainly not going to agree with the neo con wing on much of anything. they have to do a very delicate walk, because they don't want to seem like they're supporting obama, especially going into a presidential election. so they have to, you know, distance themselves from the neo con. well, let's just bomb them right now. you know, without advocating their own strike and without supporting the president overtly. although some of them very well might. because, you know, they would much rather see a deal made than we go to war with another

country. >> and last word to you, margie. is there any chance there will also be a similar fragment within the democratic party, or will democrats stand behind this deal politically in order to stick with the president. >> i think that remains to be seen. what we see, at least among democrats, we know if there is a disagreement, it's not -- they're going to come to the table. it's not a simple reaction, if the president is for it, i'm against it, that we see on the right. look, people don't want to see conflict. the american people don't want to see conflict. they don't want to see it in washington. they don't want to see it with our military power abroad. they don't want to see it with our allies abroad. so i think there's going to be a lot of pressure on lawmakers on both sides of the aisle to really come together and support the historic agreement here. >> all right. here's hoping. margie owe mareo, thank you very much, and ryan grim, as well. >> thank you. coming up, more on the president's trip out west as he gets some california love at his second event of the day. ♪ avo: the volkswagen "sign then drive"

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just another way allstate is changing car insurance for good. we're watching live pictures of president obama delivering an address to democratic donors in san francisco, part of his prethanksgiving west coast swing that will take him to los angeles tonight. and as reported earlier, a young man interrupted president obama's remarks at a rally for immigration reform today. the president let the young man stay, but told him that executive power alone just isn't an option in a republic where there are laws and a congress, even if it seems everyone is on board for reform. >> of course, just because something is smart, fair, good for the economy, supported by business, labor, law enforcement, faith leaders, democratic and republican governors, including the governor of this state, just because all that is in place doesn't mean we'll actually get it done. because this is washington, after all, that we're talking about. >> and joining us now from los angeles, where the president is

scheduled to appear tonight, democratic congresswoman, karen best of california. welcome. >> thanks for having me on. >> i want to get to health care and the president's remarks on iran. i want to ask for your analysis on the immigration situation. the president said there are republicans in the house who want a deal, they want it to be piecemeal. how do we get enough of republicans to say yes in the house to actually make a deal happen? >> well, i actually think there are enough republicans in the house right now who would vote on the senate bill, and we could pass it. the issue is the speaker will not put it on the floor. so what worries me when the republican leadership now says, well, we'll do it in a piecemeal fashion, what pieces are they talking about? we need all of the pieces. my concern is, the only pieces they're concerned about is bore ohder security. where they have the biggest challenge is getting to the word citizenship and actually saying that. which is what a comprehensive plan has to include. >> so you're saying if the bill passed in the senate were to be put on the floor of the house

today, you think it would pass. >> absolutely, i do think it would pass. i do. english he just doesn't want to put it on the floor, because you would -- it would pass with majority democratic votes, and a number of republicans who we know will come along. >> okay. well, i want to move over to earn. the president did begin his earlier remarks today on iran. you said you sit on the house foreign affairs committee. give me your analysis of the deal with iran over its nuclear capabilities. >> sure. i will tell you we had a briefing before i left in the situation room, and we were told about the agreement. and i think it's an important step forward. i think a lot of misrepresentation is out there in terms of the sanction relief that iran is going to have. it's a very small amount. it's about $4 billion of their own money they will have access to. the majority of the sanctions will still be in place. and this is the first step toward a broader, comprehensive deal that is going to be negotiated over the next six months.

so i think, you know, i am in favor of peace. i want them to not have the nuclear capacity, and i think this is an important step forward. >> all right. congresswoman, i can't have you on without asking you about health care reform, very important issue. >> yes. >> and your state actually has been an amazing success, sort of a model state when it comes to implementing the affordable care act. the latest stats are showing that even with the month not done, you guys have more than doubled the number of enrollees in california. and almost one in four of those enrollees are between the magic age, 18 and 34. so let me just ask you, in a state that's one of the ten largest economies in the world, how is that working out for you, this affordable care act? >> well, you know what, it's working out very well. and why? because you have the leadership of this state that's 100% whoind behind it. so i feel bad for my colleagues in states where governors are doing everything they can to block it. that's where you're having a problem. but my hope for california, sips our population is so large, and it's larger than many states combined, that the volume in

california will help make the program successful nationwide. i did a town hall, had over 400 people there a couple weeks ago. we had a lot of people enrolled right on the spot. and it went very smoothly. so i'm optimistic for california. >> and, you know, congresswoman, you obviously live in a blue state that is successfully implementing the affordable care act and your governor is obviously not fighting it, he's a democrat. but give me just for a second the assessment of your colleagues that are running in purple states or red states. do democrats on the floor feel they can run on health care in 2014? >> well, you know, i have to tell you, they're certainly disappointed with the barriers presented so far. one is the website, but i think far more important than the website, it's the cancellations by the insurance industry. and i frankly think we need to put far more attention and pressure on the industry to not be an obstacle. because at the end of the day, we know they're going to get 30 million new customers. that should be enough. but my concern is, they want 30 million new customers with no regulation.

so they shouldn't have their cake and eat it too. so my colleagues are nervous about how it's rolling out so far. but they do feel it's getting better, and i hope that this progress continues forward. >> and congresswoman, do your colleagues feel the white house has been responsive enough to members who are nervous about their re-election, and are nervous about the implementation in their states. >> well, i do think that the white house has been responsive. and i mean specifically, we've had several meetings, caucuses, with representatives of the white house, the people who were involved with the website. so we have had a lot of contact. i do think they have been responsive. and the folks from the white house, just like all of us, were very upset with how the rollout occurred. and so i'm hoping that things will get better. i am concerned about my colleagues who are from purple states, and then, of course rves my colleagues who were from states where the governors are doing everything they can to block it. you know, we need to pay attention to the fact that they are blocking people from having access to health care by not signing up for the medicaid coverage.

>> and you know, congresswoman, do you feel enough has been made of that? i feel that point is not made a lot about the rechemicals transcript of governors in terms of the implementation of aca versus this site. >> i think several things haven't been talked about enough. what is unprecedented about this is the hundreds of millions of dollars that have been spent by either the republicans themselves or their supporting organizations to intentionally confuse everybody. that hasn't happened. i mean, they might have opposed social security, and medicare in the past. but i don't think they spent near the resources that they're spending now to keep everyone confused. and that's part of what is happening. and then you have the manipulation from the insurance company cans and then you have the governors who are doing everything they can to block it. so this is not just about a poor rollout with a website. this is a complex issue that has led to the problems involved with how health care reform has started. >> complex issue well-explained by you, congresswoman.

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ever or should ever forget. when a 20-year-old man armed with a semiautomatic weapon opens fire on a school full of children, killing 20 kids can and 6 teachers and principal, it should not ever be forgotten. although from a lack of action out of washington, it seems many have. for more, i'm joined by msnbc contributor, goldie taylor, whose column, "breaking black" can be read on thegrio.com today and john rosrosenthal dedicated the pntion of gun violence. this report has a lot of detail but not the one detail so many hoped for, which was a conclusion as to adam lanza's motive. is it important to understand the why or the how, meaning how adam lanza was able to get access to such high-powered weapons? >> i think the plain fact of the matter is, joy, we're not clairvoyant, and we're never going to know exactly can what

was happening in adam lanza's mind. we do know he had a complex set of disorders and a complex set of behaviors that went with those disorders. and so his mother did what she could, we believe to, provide him the kinds of support he needed both in the educational setting and at home. what we do know for sure, he had access to a high-capacity magazine and a semiautomatic rifle that could take the life, you know, of dozens of people at one time. and so we do know that that was possible. you see, i am not afraid of the gun collector in middle america who may have two or three shotguns or enjoy shooting at a range or sthooting out in the desert. i'm not afraid ofhat person. but that person also cannot buy an unlimited amount of sued fed, even if they handle it correctly, because someone else may misuse. so what we've got to focus on re is the conmer product at hand. adam lanza cannot get their hands on them. >> and john, isn't that really the point? the common denominator is the fact that someone can fire off

hundreds of rounds without having to reload. you're a gun owner. can you explain to the average american, nongun owner, why would somebody want to have a magazine that can unload 30 bullets at a clip? why would somebody even need that? >> yeah. the numbers are staggering in this report. one to 20-year-old kills 26 people in less than 11 minutes. he unleashed 130 rounds, each child -- each 6 and 7-year-old received 3 to 11 rounds. if there were pictures of what these kids looked like after receiving that much fire power from a military-style weapon, they would be indistinguishable. and much like the holocaust films, in americans saw what these assault weapons were doing, believe me, we would be holding our members of congress accountable and holding ourselves accountable.

there is no purpose whatsoever for a military-style weapon and high-capacity ammunition clips other than killing a lot of people quickly without having to reload. and as a gun owner, look, i know if i go duck hunting by federal law, i am -- i am limited to three rounds in my duck hunting shotgun, by law, to protect the duck population. but congress does not put limits on how many magazines a shooter can fire or buy without even a background check in 33 states. >> and john, you know, i mean, powerful images. one of the moms, goldie, in the newtown shooting, actually had an open casket funeral to make that very point. just very quickly, we have very little time. do you foresee us getting any sort of gun reformulation, even given all we have heard about newtown? >> frankly, i don't. >> i don't. unless -- i'm sorry. >> no, no.

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nuclear deal to push off the front pages all the problems with obama care? we'll have a fair and balanced look at the media coverage, coming up. >> a lot of people have problems with this deal. >> a lot of criticism. >> there are a lot of folks out there that think this iran deal is sort of a shiny object. >> fair and unbalanced look at the media coverage. >> to say, look, this story has gotten way away from us. >> fair and balanced -- >> some people are skeptical, critical. why now? >> what does this all mean? >> for the first time in nearly a decade, we